Mostly fear.

And there's a lot of dumb people outbreeding the smart people.

Staples is the champ!

Speaking of Vince Staples, I was watching Abbott Elementary and guess who I found as Janine’s BF?

My mom is the reverse of this, voted for trump but has a conservative talking point for every traditionally leftist opinion she holds concerning workers, guns, billionaires, it's maddening!

She even seems so conflicted trying to hold onto some of the hardline conservative values, the most apparent one being the police, her black patients have shown her numerous videos, she's always been FTP since she was a 7/11 clerk and a police officer informed her that "NIR" announced with cross streets on the radio meant "n-word in Redford", and our family has also never had good interactions with the police. She still ends her criticisms of them with qualifiers like "few bad apples hurdur"

Ya kinda true. I'm half black half Indian and grew up in Chicago in a heavily black neighborhood. You won't believe the virulently racist stuff that I heard everyday growing up about my Indian half

The same could be said for a lot of minority groups in the US. For example, Mexican immigrants and Muslims both tend to be very socially conservative but the GOP is so absurdly bigoted against them they drive away their votes.

I don’t think it’s that we’re naturally Conservative, I think it’s that we’ve been socialized to be so. In the same way that we’re socialized to internalize racism.

It’s all class war.

The folks winning it realized their victims will side with them if you just pretend to hate what they hate.

Class war on easy mode makes the money machine go brrrrr

Edit: nobody is coming to save us. I don’t know if this is gonna go anywhere at all, but yesterday I grabbed up r/workercommunity. Trying to make a place to stand together and help each other. It’s all we got

You're confusing leftist with populist.

A populist also likes big government, but only for the specific benefits and benefits to their own group.

Just as many black people take a hard line on migrants or immigration in general, plenty want lower taxes (but all the same benefits). Hell, in my own city of Chicago, "Democrat" Willie Wilson is as pro-police as you get here-- he also wins majority black areas (where, admittedly, he does gas give aways).

We think of these as "leftist" except they come without a coherent, systemic paradigm-- just, "as long as I get mine."

Frankly, that's exactly how Maga talks.

Big government doesn't mean left.

This part.

That must have been epic to see in person! I only read about it later

Do you have a link to this video? I know it’s a longshot, but I’d love to see that

One of my cousins was saying this ish & then went on a spiel about how the government was tryna emasculate black men by making them gay. I was tryna be gentle with it honestly as to not cause her to become more defensive & my aunt comes out to yell the f-word slur, which I tell her to please not say only for her to yell at me "why are you using so much energy to defend the LGBT community but not the black community!" Like out of nowhere, we NEVER talk so she has no idea what I be talking about but "if you cared about the black community you'd listen to your cousin instead of dismissing her" um, ma'am, she's talking about some Alex Jones ass the Illuminati is real, they making us gay, the vaccine gonna change our DNA like... nah I ain't entertaining none that. This cousin said with a straight face "did my mom really have Covid because she only had it once she went to the doctor & he said she had it" like yeah doctors do tend to diagnose mofos... like sounding just like some white QAnon Trump supporting antivaxxer, Alex Jones enjoyer. Wonder why I be straight up never responding to they texts/calls.

Tell him next time ask him why he's getting so emotional. I mean, don't because he sounds awful.

Yep, i'm too old to deal with people like this.

If their dumb asses are still walking around out here believing in fairy tales when the facts are easilly accessible, it's not worth the effort to keep them around.

Oh yeah, anti semitism in the black community is wild.

The deeply anti-Semitic talking point I won’t repeat

I am not Black, but it really saddens me to see how seemingly common this is (/is becoming?). I frequently see Black Hebrew Israelites on street corners where I live, and while I'm not sure if all of them are this way, a lot of them say some uncomfortably antisemitic things.

I guess there is a point to be made about disenfranchised groups being vulnerable to fringe or extremist ideologies. See also: the many poor, uneducated people that voted for Trump...

punk

Used to hear this very often growing up. It’s also proof that homophobia in the black community is especially directed towards men. I haven’t heard half of the bad things about gay or bisexual women as I have about men. It was always the boys chastising other boys bu saying “that’s gay” etc. You can still open Twitter and see the women trying to demean the men by calling them gay

Majority of black people came from the the south. The south has all of these issues because it's extremely evangelical. It's frustrating how much it viewed like black people aren't just a microcosm of the general culture where they're from. Let's not even get into the fact that a lot of grow up poorer and less educated and it's not surprise you have a group of people vulnerable to ignorance. Religion is the main thing holding us back, secondly education.

Plenty of misogyny, too.

"Then don't take up the whole hallway with your fat ass."

I'm black and from the south. My dad played football all throughout school and so did my brother. My dad can be weirdly liberal sometimes and then pop off at the mouth with some really fucked up shit about the LGBTQIA+ community.

We were watching football together one day and the dudes were slapping each other's asses. I like to poke the bear so I was like, "I've always found it weird that male athletes do that and then turn around and ostracize the gay community." He was like, "nah, that's different." I was like, "dad, I was an athlete all throughout school and only ONE time did another woman slap me on the ass. I immediately told her off because I don't like being touched like that. How is it acceptable there instead of a high five or shoulder pat but y'all can hardly hug each other for comfort? It's a little gay."

To say he got mad would be an understatement. 😅

Growing up he was likely harrased by his peers and stand in front him like you did as a power move. Also some would imitate a sex position while you're bent over. Also parents teaching them not to be a 'punk' or '**ggot'.

I'm half Native and half Black, and damned if I'm not Native enough for the Natives, Black enough for Black people, or white enough for anyone else.

It’s not just black leaders in black communities. We have this shit in our Hispanic culture too. People like Cesar Chavez have been excessively whitewashed. The homophobia and transphobia is well and alive in our communities as well. As is the ableism and the misogyny. Literally the same level of vitriol and violence against these groups you see in black communities, you see in Mexican and Hispanic communities as well.

Tbf many of them are. Mexico used to have a whole caste system around the amount of indigenous blood you have and they still deal with its effects to this day. As a mestizo myself, Mexico is just the country I’m most familiar with, but I’m vaguely aware that it’s the same in many Latin American countries.

Speaking Spanish doesn’t necessarily make you not white.

Edit: yes, obviously Spanish comes from Spain which is largely ethnically white. I didn’t mention that bc in context we were talking about Hispanic Americans which rightly or wrongly are usually lumped in with “black and brown” Americans.

You can be white and Hispanic though. Hispanic is not a race, it's an ethnicity based largely on language.

doesn’t term “Hispanic” refer to ethnicity rather than race? Spain has white people.

I will always say it, Mexicans are one of the most racist people. Specially “traditional” Mexicans. Every time someone marries a white person they call it “mejorar la raza” or to better the race because for them being negritos is bad.

My mom is a very nice person but will still say shit like “Mira a ese negro” and hide her purse.

TV shows will never show you a black person, or brown. Always white people with colored eyes.

When Indians show up on the TV it’s usually to be made fun of or to call them poor/uneducated

Women are largely treated as property most of the time too

Yeah, I had this one Indian classmate who tried so hard to convince people he was "fully British, nothing else" because of the colonisation (we don't live in Britain anyway). This was back when we were in 4th grade though so you can just tell that a kid that age had the mindset passed down from older relatives

And racism

Prejudice is everywhere and so is the belief that “I belong to a marginalized group so I can’t be prejudiced”. I once had someone tell me in the span of 1 minute that her mom is scared of black people and that she can’t be racist because she’s an immigrant and not white.

They either think they’re higher up on the social ladder or they think the other group has it better than them. People tend to look at everything from their own personal lens, they can’t see past their own issues. Honestly tho I’m really not surprised, especially under a social and economic structure that’s so inherently selfish.

It's not really that surprising, that's generally how prejudice seems to work. The most stereotypically racist people are poor white southerners for a reason. It's basically the famous LBJ quote:

"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."

People who are constantly being trodden upon by the system will often latch onto anything to convince themselves they aren't the bottom of the social pecking order, and infighting amongst the "lower" classes is often spurred on by the "upper" classes to prevent solidarity and help maintain their own power.

“I hate every part of who you are but oh golly I still love you” the fakest shit ever honestly

It's pretty simple. "I got here exclusively by my own merit. Thus, I am the model of success all should emulate. Racism is over because I got mine."

Which, if you know the guy's history, is absurd.

But he's just an arrogant fuck with an agenda.

It got him to where he is today so I'm sure to him it's a job well done

I like to think of it as some sort of extreme version of Stockholm syndrome.

He eventually reasoned out for himself, that if he ingratiated himself with his oppressors, that he would be safe. It's played out well for him, and so that self-hatred and self-lothing has been projected on to fellow members of his race.

This is all arm chair psychology.

Could be the man is just a jackass. Who's to say?

E: A lot of the comments that responded to you before I did, seem to have hit the nail right on the head.

Bro got his and he's outtie. Man's not gonna fight for change that he's never gonna see when he can live it up for the shitty days he's got left. That's the sad truth with 'successful' people these days.

Well yeah. It was used to call things black with out calling them black

Top of r/all and it's not even CCd. In awe at the relative civility.

Tell him that. He has no right to accuse you of racism when he has been nothing but an asshole to you